Ul/Dl Ratio

It's clearly not possible for everyone to have a ratio of 1:1. Even if you only download 1MB and upload 800MB, or leave a torrent seeding for a very long time, are trying really hard, etc there will ALWAYS be several people that are below 1:1. If I upload 200GB and downloaded only 100GB, that means that there is 100GB of downloaded data from other people that they then have to make up. My 2:1 ratio takes away the ability for others to have uploaded as much on that torrent and the network as a whole. Network wide, there is an (obvious) complete balance of what is uploaded and what is downloaded. That distribution can never have every user with a 1:1 if even ONE person has a ratio that is even the slightest bit better than 1:1.

Take the following example: there is a carton of a dozen eggs. For each one I take, I have to put at least that many back. If I take 1 and someone else takes 1, then I go and put 2 back, that other person can not fit their egg into the carton and can not give any back.

This is essentially just an example of the Pigeonhole Principle.

I know there are a great deal of people (myself included now) that have uploaded so much more than they have downloaded (100GB+) that casual users that only download a few MB can not possibly make it. Especially when you get some people that are seeing like crazy (leaving a couple thousand download slots open on a 30Mbps connection without limiting upload speed like I did for a while; people could have downloaded from me at least 10 times before they even got the chance to download from most other people on those torrents).

This has nothing to do with how hard you "try"; it's basic math.

want to know something really funny. they ban ppl based on thier ratio on the current torrent they are working on. so you could have like 99% of the torrents, and have it set to seed 100% or better, but if you leech it too fast they ban you and make you set up an account. i call that bs. it should log ips and list them and after 1 week, if that ip dosnt have a good ratio, and not seeding back, then it should be banned.

and yes i am watching this thread to see if my post disapears.

[seorang]

Originally Posted by canofbutter

It's clearly not possible for everyone to have a ratio of 1:1. Even if you only download 1MB and upload 800MB, or leave a torrent seeding for a very long time, are trying really hard, etc there will ALWAYS be several people that are below 1:1. If I upload 200GB and downloaded only 100GB, that means that there is 100GB of downloaded data from other people that they then have to make up. My 2:1 ratio takes away the ability for others to have uploaded as much on that torrent and the network as a whole. Network wide, there is an (obvious) complete balance of what is uploaded and what is downloaded. That distribution can never have every user with a 1:1 if even ONE person has a ratio that is even the slightest bit better than 1:1.

I know there are a great deal of people (myself included now) that have uploaded so much more than they have downloaded (100GB+) that casual users that only download a few MB can not possibly make it. Especially when you get some people that are seeing like crazy (leaving a couple thousand download slots open on a 30Mbps connection without limiting upload speed like I did for a while; people could have downloaded from me at least 10 times before they even got the chance to download from most other people on those torrents).

This has nothing to do with how hard you "try"; it's basic math.

Did you even read what some of us have written?

Ul/Dl Ratio

Originally Posted by seorang

While we do acknowledge that it is technically impossible to keep a 1:1 ratio for everybody, we are trying to encourage/motivate everybody to contribute as much as they can. And, in general, as far as this tracker goes, with the amount of new leechers everyday, its not that hard to find a torrent that needs seeding.

We're not an entirely private tracker, neither are we a totally open anonymous/public tracker that doesn't care how much people download/upload. Yes, you can download way faster than you can upload on truly popular torrents, but if you leave it open after you've finished downloading, you will reach a 1:1 ratio, or close to it, eventually. Or, as Konrad says, reseed when the seeds run out. That way, you won't have to find leechers to help boost your ratio.

We will not slam the 1:1 ratio at you if you're 50MB off a 1:1 ratio. There are some general guidelines, but we do try and judge fairly. A person with a 0.5 ratio of 100MB up and 200MB down, and another with a 0.9 ratio of 90GB up and 100GB down, you could say the 2nd person is a better uploader, but it still don't fix the fact that he's left a 10GB hole compared to the 100MB difference of the 1st person. So who's worse?

if im not mistaken, those who are super leechers and the ones who has a shitty ratio right now are the ones who are complaining about this.

do you think its so fair that other people seed back so much and you sit there thinking. "oh im just going to seed a tad bit to look like im giving back then i will close it, no one will really blame me"

no this isn't how things work. this is a community built and based on people who we believe would do a good deed to others for getting FREE STUFF. your not paying for it! all we ask is to seed back. yes its true that you might not get a 1:1 ratio but we only encourage it. we dont slam down a rule that states.

"dude you better get a 1:1 or else you get banned!"

no we did not state that at all. a .9 ratio would be good. even a .8 is that so much to ask? why must those who share back, suffer there time, there bandwith, there expenses for you to only leech, and cap. and if you say "but i have dial up or dsl and can't seed back" im going to call on your bs. because i know i have so many friends who still are on dial up and crap and yet they seed back to a 3.0 ratio! because they understand that if they get something that they can't take it for granted!

i have the right state of mind to just close this thread down since im sure a couple of people has done the complaining enough for all of the leechers out there.

It's this way because people who paid money to run the tracker said so. No further explaination needed. Life's not fair. You're free to go somewhere else.

still think that the banning should be based on a history of the ip, not what they are currently working on.

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

still think that the banning should be based on a history of the ip, not what they are currently working on.

im so glad we have someone telling us how to run our own tracker. do you want to own it next?

[cyberbeing]

@canofbutter
What you said is common knowledge yet still most trackers enforce some sort of ratio. Why is that? The reason for this is because we assume that you are going to download many torrents not just one. This causes the whole equation to even out over time because if you get stuck not uploading much on one torrent, on another there may not be a power seeder so you would be able to get a better ratio.

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

want to know something really funny. they ban ppl based on thier ratio on the current torrent they are working on. so you could have like 99% of the torrents, and have it set to seed 100% or better, but if you leech it too fast they ban you and make you set up an account. i call that bs. it should log ips and list them and after 1 week, if that ip dosnt have a good ratio, and not seeding back, then it should be banned.

and yes i am watching this thread to see if my post disapears.

The problem is it doesn't log activities on IPs of unregistered users. Is it that hard for someone to register an account. Getting unbanned is simple enough.

Originally Posted by cyberbeing

@canofbutter
What you said is common knowledge yet still most trackers enforce some sort of ratio. Why is that? The reason for this is because we assume that you are going to download many torrents not just one. This causes the whole equation to even out over time because if you get stuck not uploading much on one torrent, on another there may not be a power seeder so you would be able to get a better ratio.


The problem is it doesn't log activities on IPs of unregistered users. Is it that hard for someone to register an account. Getting unbanned is simple enough.

the problem that i obviously see is that it is banning ppl on what they are working on. sure you may download the torrent faster then up, multiple torrents really do this, and then ppl get banned when working on the torrent. so in other words, you could be the biggest leech in Da's history, aslong as you download slow enough to not have a bad ratio when your downloading. resulting in lots of gigs of non-shared back anime.

if it was based on ip addy's then it could even be scripted and wouldnt have to get lpo's to do it. So if a certain ip has a bad ratio from the tracking of that ip's activity, then banning it would be a valid argument. then when that person registers and account, it would track by account, and if the ip changes, it would not include the accounts activity on that ip, and if its a first time reg, it would reset that ip.

also by banning by ip, if somone gets a bumed ip from a renewal, sure they have to reg it, but thats the same as banning ppl and them changing thier ip addy. and if they really want to end the banning process for anon users, make the site reg only, wich isnt always welcomed.

finnally, i say that ip logged usage and ip log based banning is the most logical and the most realistic way to ban for leeching.

Originally Posted by MadHatter

im so glad we have someone telling us how to run our own tracker. do you want to own it next?

if it wasnt broke, i wouldnt be commenting on this over and over again...

[seorang]

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

the problem that i obviously see is that it is banning ppl on what they are working on. sure you may download the torrent faster then up, multiple torrents really do this, and then ppl get banned when working on the torrent. so in other words, you could be the biggest leech in Da's history, aslong as you download slow enough to not have a bad ratio when your downloading. resulting in lots of gigs of non-shared back anime.

If they download slow enough to not have a bad ratio, IP tracking wouldn't see them as well, and it wouldn't make a difference, and still lots of gigs of non-shared back anime.

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

if it was based on ip addy's then it could even be scripted and wouldnt have to get lpo's to do it. So if a certain ip has a bad ratio from the tracking of that ip's activity, then banning it would be a valid argument. then when that person registers and account, it would track by account, and if the ip changes, it would not include the accounts activity on that ip, and if its a first time reg, it would reset that ip.

Problems of automated banning - if its too simple, some that shouldn't be banned will be, and if its too complicated, puts even more stress on the tracker. Neither automated or human banning is the perfect choice. We've chosen humans banning.

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

also by banning by ip, if somone gets a bumed ip from a renewal, sure they have to reg it, but thats the same as banning ppl and them changing thier ip addy. and if they really want to end the banning process for anon users, make the site reg only, wich isnt always welcomed.

Why would we want to end the banning process for anon users? I dare say our process for banned anon users is one of the most forgiving. No need to explain, just be willing to register an account on the banned IP within our time limits.

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

finnally, i say that ip logged usage and ip log based banning is the most logical and the most realistic way to ban for leeching.

Maybe, but at the moment, its just not the way its done around here. Live with it.