Important Tracker News *vote Or Die*

Originally Posted by Delta

My question to everyone, is in the past say week, have you noticed more leeching? Be honest.

I released something a short while back but I wasn't able to see how many seeders/leechers/completed my file had so I can't tell you anything. Maybe it's just my system -_-


Hell, the torrent I released this afternoon doesn't appear when you click browse here but it's still connected to the server but it's nice that it connects

[Delta]

Originally Posted by HighFriction

Given what vincent has said in post #110
and what others have posted, I am changing my opinion and going to vote a "yes." (I said I was going to vote today, Fri. 10/6, and I will right after this post.)

I would like to stress a few points though:

- If possible, keep the ability to post comments to torrents (viewed in the torrent comment/details link).

- be able to easily identify between datorrents tracked and externaly tracked torrents. Perhaps an identifier for torrents that use both datorrents and and external tracker (I am guessing this would be possible).

Question:
I am guessing it would not be possible to restrict ratio tracking to torrents only hosted and tracked on datorrents own tracker. Although I could see this causing potential confusion and problems as well as favoritism in seeding certain torrents.

Yes to your two points.

As for the question, ratio's would be done away with.

As for the 'how many of those leechers know..'

To be honest, a lot of the groups that release on us dont bring up the point that DAT enforces ratio's, so users aren't aware that they have to keep a good ratio.

We can only safely assume that the 16,000 people signed up on the site really know about the ratio's.

~Francisco

I just have one question for Delta:

What features do you feel that you HAVE to sacrifice?

So far I haven't found a single feature that I will have to sacrifice in order to implement something else. The only sacrifice would be performance but who cares about that when you're running XBTT?

Meaning, I know you can have it all, it's just a question of coding it.
(Which is a piece of cake if you've done it before. Need help? You know where to find me.)

In my humble opinion, the best way is to use a public tracker with the only requirement of the torrent being uploaded to the site in order to get registered.
If you want the frontend to accept both remote and local torrents is another story which doesn't have anything to do with the tracker. The easiest way of doing it is to register remote torrents with the tracker even though the tracker won't track them unless someone edits the announce URL list in their client (this actually renders the torrent local even though it's remote but who cares? If you really do care you could always skip the whole local/remote thingy and add DAT to the announce-list anyway and mark ALL torrents as local, I guess a primary/secondary identifier could be used then).
Then you just slap on some external scraping (I have a script lying around, you want it?) and have it update the xbt_files table.
You don't really need much to do this, add a column "remote" in xbt_files which could be 0 = local, 1 = remote and have the frontend use that when determining the torrent status, the easiest way to decide this would be to check the announce URL and implode the announce-list and check it for datorrents.com:6969. (But you already know all of that.)

I kind of feel like "If they want it all then JUST DO IT!".

[Kotu]

im not sure anything has been said on this, but the bittorrent protocol was never designed with ratio tracking in mind. Being able to log peoples ratios at all is just a side effect of the way it works, but since there is no security, the client can lie all they want about the quantities they have transferred.

I personally prefer some ratio tracking since you can police most the unknowledgeable leechers, it also means most people feel they have contributed something when they have upload stats to show rather than just knowing they helped distribute something that bit further.

Originally Posted by Kotu

im not sure anything has been said on this, but the bittorrent protocol was never designed with ratio tracking in mind. Being able to log peoples ratios at all is just a side effect of the way it works, but since there is no security, the client can lie all they want about the quantities they have transferred.

I personally prefer some ratio tracking since you can police most the unknowledgeable leechers, it also means most people feel they have contributed something when they have upload stats to show rather than just knowing they helped distribute something that bit further.

The first paragraph speaks truth.

I don't like the idea of ratio tracking (I've just played around with it because I felt like it). It's too easy to evade with current implementations of various methods. DHT for example. Use it and you can leech all you want. Torrent marked as private? Connect to the tracker once (to get peers) then edit out the announce URL and leech all you want.

It's as easy as:

1. Circumvent the tracker
2. ???
3. Profit.

That's why ratios and statistics are never to be used for enforcement. It's the same principle as not (at any cost) using IPA-based statistics tracking.

IT'S NOT FAILSAFE.

I just use(d) ratios for fun.
We also have the performance issue (when the peer count gets really high, that is. A level which I don't think DAT will reach in a long time). Ratio tracking (and the whole passkey thingy) requires the user tables to be utilized (both in SQL and for XBTT's internal use) => Performance drop.

(Note that I wouldn't care about the above since I'd be sure to get real hardware if I am to take on 200 000+ peers that want their ratios tracked.)

So, yeah, the only argument for ratio tracking (meaning, using a passkey system at all) is for fun. I don't know about you guys but I can tell if I've been a good cat by looking at my BT client's statistics...

I have two questions.
1, would this make this site more like Demonoid? And if so I don't see why seed ratio couldn't be enforced.
2, Would it be possible to add subcategories such as language, Sub or dub, and genre?

Originally Posted by vincent_10_27

It's not about being fair or not. It's just to make people READ and understand what the whole issue is. Delta put a warning on the beginning saying that the hentai vote is a joke and will be counted towards yes. If the hentai voters would read this then obviously there are only three options in this poll, yes, no, or undecided. But the hentai was added because other users doesn't really care long as they can get hentai. And since they're only for hentai, they wouldn't care about ratios and etc.

well people who voted the hentai option probably didnt take this poll seriously, it should just be ignored. the option says "I'm just here for the hentai, don't mind me." dont mind me means IGNORE ME. poeple who voted this dont care as long as there is hentai. well there IS hentai right now, so theyd be happy if we leave datorrents the way it is, right? you see, this option can mean both yes and no so it doesnt count. its pretty much the same as undecided. and what makes you so sure that those who voted hentai dont care about their ratio?

it should just be decided between yes and no, no cheating or stupid excuses.

Originally Posted by Kadenmire

I have two questions.
1, would this make this site more like Demonoid? And if so I don't see why seed ratio couldn't be enforced.
2, Would it be possible to add subcategories such as language, Sub or dub, and genre?

1. If you don't see why seed ratio cannot (truly) be enforced, read my posts again. Since this is kind of related I'll slap in the short explanation why IPA-based tracking is bad. Most users have dynamics IPAs. What do you think will happen when a user's IPA changes? The statistics are messed up. What do you think will happen when one user gets another user's IPA? The statistics are messed up even worse. What do you think will happen if you use this faulty system for banning leechers? The site is messed up. Especially when a good user happens to get a banned user's IPA. Otherwise, it'll probably just ban someone that isn't related to the site at all but that's not good either, is it? DAT has sort of avoided this to some extent by encouraging people to log in each time they want to download/upload so that the IPA can be resynched to the user but you cannot expect people to log in to the site each and every time their IPA changes.

2. Of course, it's just a question of coding it. (Piece of cake.)

Not really a question of coding either. I logged in all the time. But their is also another critical bad about the trackers. I have a brief power failure here almost on a daily basis. It's so bad that UPS doesn't even help because the battery goes dead too fast I go through them like hot cakes and can't afford to do that at this time.

So everytime I had a reboot from this power failure I would lose an entire nights worth of seeding at 100KB. This kept making my ratio drop and drop it's been an uphill struggle and it's at .9x now last I checked. It should be close to 3.x by now but it is not.

Now that is just one case. Sometimes routers lock up or the ISP assigns you a new IP and again you just lost all the seeding credit you have done. So again more screwed up ratios. Their is many many things that cause ratios to screw up. And I just named 3 of them for you.

[oz78]

Too bad poll's ended when I see this, I'm for the notion of tdatorrent being more of an anime index.