Evangelion ending ?

[eidius]

ok whell the hole gaint robots isent realy my thing but i finished watching the series and the movies and I dont undrestand what happens!
here are the parts that got me most confused:
1) did asuka really dead ? cuz she's there at the end.
2) what the hell is rei and what did she do at the end of the movies she exploded into smetherines and then i see earth that looks like hell, whats up with that?
3) what heppend to everyone ?( minor carectors)
4)why are they cheering at shingi at Ep 26?
5)plz tell me what happend im geting a major head ech and last Eps and the last 40 mints of the movie are soooooooooooooo depressing and emoish

i wish there was "banging head to wall smile"

[seorang]

*moved from manga discussions to anime discussions, since references seem to be to anime episodes*

[Conspiracy]

Eidius:

I think you should re-watch the entire series and consider religious and spiritual themes as well as philosophical concepts such as the idea that mind creates reality, or the idea that perception of reality changes that reality.

Reading some Idealist or non-realist philosophy, phenomenology, eschatology or quantum physics (the spiritual/philosophical kind) wouldn't hurt either.

[eidius]

whell first sorry about the miss placing.

dude are seriously asking me to like read the bible so i could undrestand the ending ?
i have a magasine that was talking about the Evangelion from the hole relegious percpective and i still dont get it. with adam and eve, i also undrestand who lithim actualy is. but cant someone just tel me what realy happens in D end.
is the guy is trying to prove a fact by that wierd ending?
or is it just everybody dies a horrible death, for shingi and asuka its unknown cuz he's strangling asuka.

[KiraRin]

I found one of the best ways to understand Evangelion was to watch the dubbed (yeah, yeah, I know) version that had a voice over by voice actors and the director.

It went on to explain a lot about the religious connotations.

I think taking some kind of hallucionagenic may also help

H.

[eidius]

lol download 8 gigs again?

ok then im just going to ask 4 questions and please tel me what you know:

1) did asuka really die? or is it just a part of shinji's immagination?


2) whats up with hole happy life style in Ep.26 and then shinji sais he loves himself then everyone sais congratulation?


3)in the end is everone dead or did they all came back to life?


4) what do YOU think really happend


sorry im so annoying for one ending but i always MUST finish a story by knowing what exacly happend

[aceman67]

Last month, I had the opportunity to meet Tiffany Grant, the voice of Asuka in the English dub, and we discussed the ending of evangelion (Specificly the ending of "End of Evangelion"). She's actually discussed what the ending ment with series creator Hideki Anno. According to Anno-sama, the ending of the show should be taken differently by everyone. you should take away what the ending means to you, since he didn't intend for the series to have a specific meaning.

to answer your questions:

1) No. Asuka didn't die. she's alive at the end of the final movie, End of Evangelion
2) The "Happy" life sequence is supposed to be a world where Second impact didn't happen and Shinji is living a normal life. As for the "Congradulating", never really understood that myself, I'd have to watch the episode over again to answer it.
3) No one actually "Died" in the end of End of Evangelion, they simply reverted to primordial ooze (What they called LCL in the series), and merged into one.
4) Watch End of Evangelion, thats what really happened.

[eidius]

OOOO ok...

thx for answearing i kinda undrestand what really happend

but just one more thing why was only shinji and asuka left alive, so they can live on earth (witch is destroyed by the way) are they suppose to represent the new Adam and Eve or something ? cuz i dont think they could live in such a hostile envierment.

[Conspiracy]

(sorry if some particulars are off, it's been a couple years since I've last watched Eva.)

My (very) general interpretation of the ending (and the "Congradulating") is that Shinji ultimately gets to make the decision about how reality will continue from that point on. He is in that unique position because of his relationship with Rei (who is essentially a clone of his mother using Lilith material) and the entire ending sequence between Eva 0 and 1. The Evas aren't robots they're pieces of God or pieces of Ultimate Reality that the humans are playing with; that's why they can completely change reality, and there's something about putting the pieces back together that causes that change. There's tons of religious/mystic ideas in Eva, especially Kabbalah; for example, during the opening credits for Eva there's the sephirot diagram superimposed over the Eva (the sephirot is the ancient jewish diagram of God's Body).

The moment of clarity or the "Congradulating" should be (I think) familiar to anyone who's ever done acid or shrooms and that is the moment of personal revelation and break-through that occurs at the onset of the trip or at the climax; trips are and always have been tied with the idea of creating your own reality or that there is a deeper, more significant reality. Just remember that it's not that the drug is creating a new reality for you, but that the drug is giving you the ability to see something that is always there but you don't normally have the capacity to see. (ie it's a tool that is not necessary, but is helpful). Keep in mind that mushrooms were perfectly legal in Japan for a very long time and Hideki Anno has definitely taken them (IMO).

I agree with what aceman said about Hideki Anno saying, but at the same time I'd say Anno is just saying what he has to say as a great artist. The idea that you could simply ask an artist what his/her work means and they could tell you what it _really_ means is utterly preposterous to me because the artist already told you what their art means. They MADE the art; that is the best possible way that they can convey the meaning that is in the art. After people start perceiving the art it is out of the artists hands and will even have meanings the artist never intended but are undeniably there. But then I guess this isn't the forum for discussions of Authorial Intent...but I do think there is some interpretations that are more right than others and there is probably one general idea behind Eva that everyone can understand.

As for why Shinji and Asuka are the only ones left alive...I never thought about that because I didn't think they were the only ones left alive; I felt that the world shed it's skin and will continue on very similar to the way it was because Shinji ultimately made the choice to allow the world to exist...

[seorang]

I'd just like to say something - you're assuming that the ending to Eva has any point in it.

Can't remember who said this or if anybody can confirm this, but the creator of Eva, Hideki Anno was suffering depression and on drugs at the time he made Eva, so its just as possible that the ending is just the product of a very fucked up mind at that time, and has no religious connotation or significance whatsoever.